I'm afraid this is going to attract the "why use podman when docker exists"-folks, so let me put this under the supposition that you're already sold on (considering) using podman for whatever reason. (For me, it has been the existence of pods, to be used in situations where pods make sense, but in a non-redundant, single-node setup.)
Now, I was trying to understand the purpose of quadlets and, frankly, I don't get it. It seems to me that as soon as I want a pod with more than one container, what I'll be writing is effectively a kubernetes configuration plus some systemd unit-like file, whereas with podman compose I just have the (arguably) simpler compose file and a systemd file (which works for all pod setups).
I would get that it's sort of simpler, more streamlined and possibly more stable using quadlets to let systemd manage single containers instead of putting podman run commands in systemd service files. Is that all there is to it, or do people utilise quadlets as a kind of lightweight almost-kubernetes distro which leverages systemd in a supposedly reasonable way? (Why would you want to do that if lightweight, fully compliant kubernetes distros are a thing, nowadays?)
Am I missing or misunderstanding something?
Understood, thanks, but if I may ask, just to be sure: It seems to me that without interacting with the kubernetes layer, I'm not getting pods, only standalone containers, correct? (Not that I'm afraid of writing kube configuration, as others have inferred incorrectly. At this point, I'm mostly curious how this configuration would be looking, because I couldn't find any examples.)
Nah, I have a paperless pod created with Quadlet.
Awesome, so, essentially, you create a name.pod file like so:
and join every container into the pod through the following line in the .container files:
Pod=name.podand I presume this all gets started via
systemctl --user start name.serviceand systemd/podman figures out somehow which containers will have to be created and joined into the pod, or do they all have to be started individually?(Either way, I find the documentation of this feature lacking. When I tested this stuff myself, I'll look into improving it.)
Yep, that's the way!
Systemd figures it out iff you have specified your service dependencies correctly, with things like
After=,Upholds=,BindsTo=, etc. Have a look atsystemd.unitmanpage for details. For my paperless service, it goes something like this:systemctl --user start paperless, which depends on:The point of quadlet was to lean as heavily as possible on systemd for the service and dependency bits and use podman only for translating the container bits into something systemd can handle. The one bit of dependency handling that quadlet does is to make sure that
paperless.podis started before all containers that havePod=paperless.podin their quadlet file.That would be amazing, of course! :) I find that, if you're familiar with unit files, you're like 85% of the way there already. By the way, the unit files that quadlet generates are somewhere in
$XDG_RUNTUME_DIRfor you to inspect. I'm afraid I'm not at a computer right now andI don't know the exact path off the top of my head.Nice, thanks, again! I overlooked the dependency instructions in the container service file, which is why I wondered how the heck podman figures out the dependencies. It makes a lot of sense to do it like this, now that I think of it.