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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 35 points 2 months ago (27 children)

I downvoted it because it's not Onion-y as described in community rule 4:

would make people who see the headline think, “That has got to be a story from The Onion, America’s Finest News Source.”

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 29 points 2 months ago (23 children)

I mean call me crazy but I feel like a minister from a country trying to justify why he doesn't see internationally recognized countries as actual countries is pretty Onion-y to me. The icing on top is that it's coming from a minister in a country known for illegally stealing land and re-defining their own borders against international law.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (15 children)

It's not the country's he's talking about. It's the little areas of remote territory along Israel's borders, that while technically part of those countries, they don't resemble a country at all. There is no legit government. There is no law enforcement. There are no courts of law. They are essentially unincorporated territories held variously by local militias and tribes.

If Lebanon and Syria want to claim this territory as part of their country, they have to actually make it a part of a country, bring it under the jurisdiction of their law. Be legitimate leadership. Work towards the betterment of the people whose charge they claim.

Israel is not going to let it be surrounded by lawless territory that Iran uses to stage attacks against Israel, certainly not while Iran is over there trying to cook up nuclear material to make dirty bombs.

If you took even fifteen seconds to actually listen to the argument that's being made, instead of only half, understanding it and rushing to an emotional judgment, you'd realize it doesn't sound like The Onion at all. It's an argument made by people all over the world, especially as to Gaza, for example, and, guess what? It's a legit argument.

Iran, Iraq, and Lebanon, and sort of Syria, are not quite failed States, because they do still have a seat of power within their countries, and they do project that power to a limited extent. But they do not project it into these lawless border territories. And so when you have essentially gangs and terror cells, pretending to be legitimate political entities, how many suicide bombings, rocket attacks, and mass shootings must your neighbors abide before they bring their law to your territories? FAFO.

The historical term for such territories is irredenta, meaning unredeemed or unclaimed.

[–] Wrufieotnak 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would agree with you if he would be talking about the border regions alone. But he is (at least in the translations), speaking about the whole countries not being a country because of those border regions. And that is stupid and Oniony.

Border regions not being under the control of the central government is a legitimate thing to criticize the countries for, but not a reason to call them not countries. Otherwise Ukraine would also not be a country by that definition, since it doesn't control all their regions currently.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

I'm not a translator but I'm not going to read into that one noun form. The next sentence refers to certain areas within their borders, and everyone knows exactly where he's talking about. For the last year there's been 1,000 rockets a month launched indiscriminately at Israel. Not hard to step out where they're coming from, right? Before that, it was dozens, hundreds, or sometimes also tousands, months to month.

I'm sure you can find some maps of territory held by terrorists in the region and which countries sponsor and ally with them, and which ones designate them as such. Terrorists don't get to have a state.

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