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[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago (47 children)

They chose to commit a crime together, then they got into a shootout with police.

The responsibility lies with the people who chose to commit the crime in the first place.

Breaking and entering is stupid dangerous, they knew that. Thats why they had a gun.

[–] Sway_Chameleon@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (41 children)

OK, this, much like the specific law involved in this situation, is ridiculously reductive.

Did they break and enter? Yes. Did the friend, who was shot and killed, engage police with a weapon? Yes. Did the guy charged with murder force his friend into the situation that led to his death? NO! The kid who was killed decided to engage the cops with a weapon, while the kid who was charged ran into the woods.

The law just seems like a poorly veiled means of piling additional charges on to criminals, no matter how petty the crime. I'd bet there are probably some more wild situations where the justice system managed to butterfly effect their way to linking some petty crime with something not at all associated with the crime itself.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You are framing this incorrectly. They didnt make different decisions. They were committing crimes as a group. As a group, they had at least one gun. They were using this is backup in case they ran into a homeowner or police. The person with the gun did exactly what was expected of him by the rest of the group, while those without guns rightfully ran from gun fire and his from danger. If they had guns however its likely they would have been expected to assist.

When people act as a group and every step of the way they keep moving forward instead of stopping, you have to at some point hold the whole group responsible. If this person had decided to sit this robbery out, then they would only have to deal with the other murder they committed the night before with the same group.

Theres more to the story and the headline is about as misleading as can be, considering he didnt even end up with that much time.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If only this "committing crime as a group" could be applied to corporations, so we'd end up with the whole board in jail whenever there is wage theft, price collusion, environmental negligence, money laundering, etc, etc.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

If the board is involved in making illegal decisions or below standard decisions, they can be held accountable.

It doesnt work out well in america because rich people defend themselves far better than average folk.

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