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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)

Lex Fridman: "I'm going to do a deep dive on Ancient Rome. Turns out it was a land of contrasts"

I'm doing a podcast episode on the Roman Empire.

It's a deep dive into military conquest, technology, politics, economics, religion... from its rise to its collapse (n the west & the east).

History really does put everything in perspective.

(xcancel)

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 9 points 2 months ago (13 children)

Elon Musk in the replies:

Have you read Asimov’s Foundation books?

They pose an interesting question: if you knew a dark age was coming, what actions would you take to preserve knowledge and minimize the length of the dark age?

For humanity, a city on Mars. Terminus.

Isaac Asimov:

I'm a New Deal Democrat who believes in soaking the rich, even when I'm the rich.

(From a 1968 letter quoted in Yours, Isaac Asimov.)

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 7 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Also, the whole point of the foundation series (one of them) was that overconfidence in psychohistory is bad, actually. Like, foundation and empire opens with a pretty clear allegory for Bellisarius and Justinian, but the whole rest of the book is about "actually it turns out that there are circumstances outside of our model that can fuck shit up because we didn't predict that psychic powers would be a thing and now it's all fucked!"

For someone who supposedly read a lot of sci-fi I don't know that he actually read them.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It also has interplanetary coal trade. (predating the netflix cut of Rebel Moon by decades), which considering the tech levels of interplanetary trade, and the energy density of coal is quite silly, and def not to be taken literally. (This is a little bit important as it shows how much the space civilization(s) in the Foundation series are not really constrained by real life resource constraints, a thing which would be a problem if you were to take the series literally and were to say create a city on Mars intending to reboot civilization)

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 6 points 2 months ago

you'd almost think Foundation was The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire In Spaaaace or something

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and the conceit of Earth sending convicts and political prisoners to the Moon to grow wheat underground never made much sense to me. I believe Charles Stross got into a good-natured slapfight with Ian McDonald over the latter’s use of helium mining in the Luna series but that sounds more likely to me than fucking wheat.

https://gerikson.com/blog/books/read/Twice-on-a-Harsh-Moon.html

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Everybody knows the real resource on the moon is whales.. I don't think I have read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress this century yet, so I should give it a reread.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'd say it's essential Heinlein. Whether you believe Heinlein is essential is another matter :D

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 2 points 2 months ago

Due to the discourse around helldivers, warhammer and the movie I reread starships troopers, and it was interesting how much worse the experience was when I was older.

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