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like you go to the not-believing-until-seeing convention with lies and what? expect to get away with it?

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[–] Breve@pawb.social 38 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Money corrupts absolutely everything: science, politics, people...

[–] dariusj18@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This kind of behavior would still exist without money. People would still fake stuff for the clout.

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sure but money motivates more people than clout alone

[–] dariusj18@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That's only because money exists. If you removed money from the equation, clout would be the new currency that everyone lies and cheats for.

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thats entirely hypothetical and unprovable

[–] dariusj18@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

OK, so money corrupts, money exists, everything is corrupt. What's the point of pointing that out?

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But being caught in a lie would destroy your clout instantly. If they're competing for clout there would be a big incentive to prove the competition wrong.

[–] dariusj18@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

There is something to that, in that money gained will be kept (unless lawsuits can claw it away for fraud), but with both scenarios the ethically lacking individual would still have enjoyed the time until they were caught and future money/clout would both be hampered.

As for competition, that sounds the same to me. There is already competition for positions and grants, etc.

[–] Xephonian@retrolemmy.com 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Nah. Money is simply the mechanism that reveals true character.

[–] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That is absolute nonsense. Where does the idea that the nastiest expression of desires is the truest come from? It's a completely absurd and unverifiable idea.

People do stuff, putting people in power over others tends to result in the people doing worse stuff. The variable we can tweak here is the power.

[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Power gives people the freedom to act as they choose, and they choose a lot of nastiness. Does it not make sense that unconstrained choices represent who a person truly is?

[–] DempstersBox@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Wow, that's a crock of shit, classist take

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, science doesn't pay for itself. You need libraries, you need universities, you need equipment. Only a mathematician can get by with a $5 black board and stack of chalk, and even then not very well.

[–] cows_are_underrated 2 points 2 months ago

And he needs a calculator, because without one he isn't going to be very fast with his research.