this post was submitted on 02 Sep 2024
154 points (99.4% liked)
Europe
1559 readers
279 users here now
News and information from Europe πͺπΊ
(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)
Rules (2024-08-30)
- This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
- No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
- Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
- No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism.
- Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
- If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
- Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in !yurop@lemm.ee. (They're cool, you should subscribe there too!)
- Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
- No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)
(This list may get expanded when necessary.)
We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.
If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.
If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the mods: @federalreverse@feddit.org, @poVoq@slrpnk.net, or @anzo@programming.dev.
founded 5 months ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Canβt protect democracy if the electorate is idiots.
The electorate has been systematically driven into the arms of of those people by both the political establishment and the media for decades.
The political establishment has contended itself with turning austerity into some kind of state religion and administrating the resulting shortages. Whenever this has lead to discontent, they were happy enough to jump on the far right's bandwagon and adopted their talking points because they deluded themselves that they could get back lost votes this way, rather than admitting that they had caused the problems themselves and even trying to rectify them. The media have happily been helping this process along by rarely questioning the never ending austerity at the expense of the middle and lower classes, while parroting every single far right talking point. Now we're reaping what has been sowed in the past decades.
That the far right makes disproportional gains in the East is no surprise, as the East, especially its rural regions, has been systematically sold out and run down even further than under the GDR since reunification.
People vote for Nazis but the democratic parties and the media are to blame... Of course. It's never the Nazis who vote, it's always the others who made them do it who are at fault.
Fuck that. Get lost.
Please stay civil.
Nazis don't just become the way they are. There are reasons people flock to the far right. Not naming these reasons and being content with "Nazis will be Nazis" isn't productive.
Politics that consistently benefit the upper classes, while always framing the necessary helps for the weakest as stealing from the lower classes will get you there.
This didn't just happen, we did this to ourselves.
The established political parties and the media have created a societal climate in which it's no longer unacceptable to openly support Nazis. The entire political spectrum has shifted so far right that openly supporting a Nazi party isn't a taboo anymore. Thanks to that, people are now losing their inhibitions. On top of that, the established political parties have shown again and again that they don't give a flying shit about the wellbeing of the lower and middle classes. Of course, the Nazis don't either, but that doesn't matter to the people voting for them, because they are buying their propaganda, which is way too often just parroted by the media.
How about you go do that fuck off thing yourself. These movements need a failing political system in which to pedal their bullshit and the world's neoliberals have been more than happy to provide it for them.
History repeats itself even in this aspect. The original Nazis couldn't have come to power, weren't it for the Weimar Republic's political establishment turning into a colossal perpetual failure.