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[–] self@awful.systems 13 points 3 months ago (24 children)

oh my god, that weird fash fucker is absolutely pulling a NixOS and trying to burn down the Python community over a well-deserved 3 month suspension

and the only reason I know about this shit even though I’m barely involved with Python in any regard is because one of his fans/alts was spamming mastodon with a blog post defending him, and fully half of it by scroll bar position was just fluffing the fucker’s previous achievements, then at almost exactly the halfway point it started describing all the shit he did and hoo boy does he deserve a lot more than a 3 month suspension

it’s fascinating how this is almost exactly the same situation as with what’s-his-face getting suspended from Nix and the project’s older maintainers pulling ranks to get the toxic fucker back

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 9 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Dang it, am I going to have to learn a new programming language after 24 years of getting things done in Python because the edgelords are indulging in a fit of pique?

[–] corbin@awful.systems 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, this is why I left during the Python 3 arguments. It was obvious that the core development team only functions to the extent that it can improve the (economic) exploitability of CPython by the consortium which has captured it, and that we'd become so technically dysfunctional that we were no longer able to implement forward-compatible syntax, something we'd had as recently as Python 2.5 but had lost by Python 2.7. The inability of the various "authority" groups like PyCA or PyPA to get things done once-and-for-all is another symptom; there is still no single holistic solution for cryptography or packaging in Python 3.

Like, I recall having dinner with Guido and Barry (and others; like ten of us at a Chinese restaurant) in Montreal. It was very obvious that Guido not only didn't grok concepts like pure functions or capabilities or asynchrony, but fundamentally not interested in how they could improve the state of software engineering; he is forever in the mindset of making a teaching language, not a professional language. I also recall discussing with him years earlier (Portland?) about how libraries like Twisted or Django fundamentally only justify their existence by pointing to deficiencies in the standard library, and he didn't understand that a bad standard-library package can be worse than not having one at all. At least he's a nice person; at no point was there any yelling or tenseness, and I appreciate that.

That said, I use Python 3 all the time. I just keep in mind that I shouldn't prefer it, and I only choose it when there's a clear developer-time tradeoff, because I know that its maintainers are contemptuous of me merely for using Python 2.7 and PyPy.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 7 points 2 months ago

and he didn’t understand that a bad standard-library package can be worse than not having one at all

screams in mime, datetime, yaml, The Long Road To Py3.7+, and more

That said, I use Python 3 all the time. I just keep in mind that I shouldn’t prefer it, and I only choose it when there’s a clear developer-time tradeoff

not a week goes by that I am not still awestruck by still how many places there are to stub one's toe with py3-cluster things

samesies on still using python in some places. god I wish I could find something else that filled the same first-reach gaps as nicely.

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