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How do you make someone understand that being drafted by force and ordered to invade another country is not a good thing? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 3 months ago by index@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Are you trying to say Ukraine is wrong to go into Russia?

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Are you trying to say U̶k̶r̶a̶i̶n̶e̶ the government of ukraine who is drafting against their will disabled men with heart disease, spinal injuries, epilepsy, autism, and other illnesses and disorders is wrong in ordering its soldier to invade Russia?"

This doesn't sound good to me, nodoby should do this or have the power to do it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-soldiers-thought-order-to-invade-russia-was-joke-2024-8

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Going into Russia has been a huge tactical success for them, we will see if it's a strategic success, but chances are looking good. Drafting people against their will is kinda the definition of a draft. I haven't looked into the exceptions or lack thereof specifically though.

Do you have a problem with Ukraine invading Russia at all after Russia is trying to annihilate them as a country? Do you have a problem with their conscription policies? Or a problem with using conscripts in the attack into Russia? Or a combination of those three?

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I don't think being drafted by force and ordered to invade another country is a good thing regardless of who you are.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

To be clear, you're against Russia using conscription as well, right?

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Is only the combination of drafting and going into another country that is unacceptable? Is Ukraine even using conscripts on that front?

The goal of the invasion into Russia (in my estimation) is to take territory to trade back to Russia in exchange for parts of Ukraine that Russia has captured. Do you think that's not okay? Why?

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is only the combination of drafting and going into another country that is unacceptable?

Forced draft alone is bad, ordering soldiers to invade another country it's even worst.

Is Ukraine even using conscripts on that front?

Good question, are they? I think more people should be concerned about it especially these who are supporting their own government in sending weapons to the government of ukraine.

The goal of the invasion into Russia (in my estimation) is to take territory to trade back to Russia in exchange for parts of Ukraine that Russia has captured. Do you think that’s not okay? Why?

This isn't a video game, what we are talking about is potentially forced conscript being ordered to invade russia and dying there a miserable way so that governments can trade pieces of land.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Why is invading into Russia not okay?