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Eman Abdelhadi’s speech from the “Bodies Outside of Unjust Laws” demonstration on Aug. 18 in Chicago.

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[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

Trumptard propaganda BS. Stop trying to help the fascists win. The Trump Cult are the fascists, FYI. They are far worse in every way, in regard to these issues that you pretend to care about.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 9 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Did you actually read the speech? Because it makes a good point. They're trying to tell her how to beat Trump. Supporting Israel isn't actually necessary to beat Trump if poll after poll is actually saying a majority of Democrats disapprove of the way they're running the war. It hurts more than anything when you support unpopular policies.

[–] bostonbananarama@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

The name of the game this November is turnout. There are undoubtedly more people who support Harris than Trump, but will they vote? Touching the Israel issue is guaranteed to turn off a large block of voters, no matter which side you support. There's no winning this issue politically.

Either Harris or Trump will be president in 2025, choose which one more closely aligns to your values and policy goals. If you care about Gaza and Palestinians, I don't know how that choice isn't Harris.

[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world -4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

or choose neither and take a goddamn stand for once and show these puppets of the elites it is all or nothing

[–] bostonbananarama@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

or choose neither and take a goddamn stand for once and show these puppets of the elites it is all or nothing

There is no "neither" option. One of them WILL be president. Let me save you time and there's never going to be a candidate but you agree with on every issue.

If you want to make a fundamental change in the electoral process, the middle of a general election isn't the time. You literally cannot change the process at this point.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Where’s Joe Biden now?

Do NOT say fundamental change can’t be made or started in the middle of a general election. Protest works and that scares some of you

[–] bostonbananarama@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Where’s Joe Biden now?

I'm going to guess the White House, but I'm not sure, it wasn't my turn to watch him.

I assume you're alluding to Harris replacing Biden, which doesn't address my point. Dem and Rep running, one of them will be president.

The United States has a FPTP system, you're never going to get a third party candidate to win the presidency. You would need to reform the system.

Do NOT say fundamental change can’t be made or started in the middle of a general election. Protest works and that scares some of you

You legally cannot change the election process two months before an election.

Protest is fine, but you should ask what your goal is. Trump is worse than Harris on Gaza, Palestine, and Israel. Frankly, it's not even close. So if your protest would cause people to not vote for Harris, then you're helping to elect Trump. Actions have consequences, just be sure you understand what they are.

For the record I'm for a Palestinian state and against genocide, but there are actions that further those causes and actions that don't.

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