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I'm glad there is no money in the Federation. Unless you count credits. Which are not money. Unless you use thousands of them to pay the Barzans. Or give them to Starfleet officers to buy things like tribbles and drinks at Quark's.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I think it's more of a universal basic income sort of deal. Every federation citizen has all their needs met without being required to work. But that doesn't mean there isn't an economy or there's no money.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

But then we have this problem dialogue from First Contact:

Captain Jean-Luc Picard: The economics of the future are somewhat different. You see, money doesn't exist in the 24th century.
Lily Sloane: No money? You mean you don't get paid?
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity. Actually, we're rather like yourself and Dr. Cochrane.

You could argue that he was simplifying things, but I think Picard would have understood that Lily was smart enough to not make that necessary. He could have just as easily said just said the "economics of the future are somewhat different" part without the money part and the whole section of dialogue would have made much more sense. Saying that money doesn't exist is pretty much just a lie.

So I still maintain that none of it makes sense because it's all contradictory.

[–] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I've always been interested by his family winery and the family who've worked for his family for generations. Like who owns the land? What do the workers get for working? If real organic wine is a premium product that can't be adequately replicated does that hint at a two-tier market?

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Presumably the Picard family owns the land. That’s why the Federation isn’t truly post-scarcity. They can’t replicate more wine estates in the French countryside. Nor chalets in the Alps, nor beach houses in Southern California.

Some people have those things. Others don’t. Maybe everyone gets a tiny apartment in NYC with a replicator and holosuite. I’d pass on that. I can’t stand being around people too much. I’d rather be working my own garden in the countryside, getting lots of fresh air and taking walks in the forest.

You can say that they will have holo versions of the countryside but we all know it’s not the same. Every time a character has wanted to spend all their time on the holodeck they were treated as having a mental illness or some kind of trauma and subjected to an intervention.

Gardening on the holodeck is no more meaningful than gardening in Stardew Valley and everybody knows it. That’s why real land like the Picard family owns has real value, and everything you can produce with a replicator and every experience you can have on the holodeck is ultimately meaningless. You might as well be living off food stamp-provided microwave dinners and playing video games all day, something you can do right now.

As for the real “meaningful” activity of traipsing around the galaxy meeting aliens and risking death every week, I think most people today would view that as incredibly reckless and irresponsible behaviour. The Enterprise is a ship full of families, not just crew! Why are they always taking them into mortal danger?

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