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Probably better to post in the github issue rather than replying here.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4967

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[–] rglullis@communick.news 12 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

environment more hostile to discussion and honest exchange.

"Voting" and "discussion" are separate things. The old forums did not have voting but still had polarization, personal attacks, hellthreads, etc.

The problem is that Reddit/Facebook turned "voting" from a tool meant to measure "quality" (e.g, this post is relevant to the community, this comment does not add to the discussion) into a tool to measure "popularity" (I agree with this, so I vote up. I don't like this, so I downvote).

Either get rid of voting altogether, or let's bring back a culture where "votes" are meant to signal quality.

[–] shadowbert@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (10 children)

Redditors did that, rather than reddit I'd argue. Still the same result of becoming a far less useful heuristic though.

Not really sure how to "fix" a system like that, which depends on the masses to do something correctly. They... don't.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

We can fix that by having moderators that can establish clear guidelines and show enough authority and can be trusted by the community. And yes, if the guidelines include something like:

Downvotes are not for disagreement. It's fine to downvote if the argument is false or deliberately misleading, but if someone is making a good faith argument that you disagree with, either make a constructive response or simply let it go

Then the mods would be completely justified to call out users who are drive-by downvoting.

[–] AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Or some self entitled 3rd party admin would do that just because they'd feel like people owed them explanations.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hey, do I owe you anything for all the space I'm taking in your head or am I still living rent-free?

[–] AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you did it would not be rent free, or would it, einstein. But no worry, i don't think about you, just this topic and your enthusiasm for it triggered my reply :)

Have a downvote for going off topic and "personal".

[–] rglullis@communick.news 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You are the one pontificating in my comment, and I am the one going personal. Seems like your reasoning is as good as your reading comprehension.

But hey, thanks for stopping by!

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