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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

They’re probably more often a male enhancement device than a tool.

Exactly what I'm saying, and people hate hearing it, because guns are fun and if you tell people to have less fun with something they fucking want to rip your head off, especially as we enter an age of desocialization.

Desocialization is gonna be our really big problem, because while unstable backwoods hicks and suburban commando-wannabes are thoroughly worrying when they go out in the open, but they're mostly harmless, they have social groups, they talk to others, they have range clubs, even "militia" groups that I've known are just chubby dads who want an excuse to camp in the desert and bring a cooler of beer.

Nah, where we really need to be concerned is the growing mass of people who cling to guns like pacifiers AND live in social isolation bubbles, spending all their time on social media and chat groups that only reinforce their beliefs, getting locked into weirder and weirder interpretations of reality, losing the line between reality and fantasy.

You saw this starting in earnest as far back as the Charlottesville "Unite The Right" white nationalist rally where one protester was murdered. There were, along the "hardened" white supremacists were no small number of kids. White, pasty, tubby kids who spend all their time on 4chan or in deeply unhinged areas of the internet. There are some famous clips of these kids, some crying on the curb after being pepper-sprayed, saying "This was supposed to be like a game!" as they sobbed.

If you notice, we've only had a dramatic uptick in mass-shootings since, and I firmly believe social isolation is breaking people. Most of the shooters we see now fit that bill, everyone is looking for patterns, but the only one I see is these are people with no friends, no social lives, infatuations with guns, and read fucked up nonsense on the internet until they believe it.

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Yup. You get it. The solution is simple, with one exception. Simple doesn't mean easy.

We need socialized healthcare including mental healthcare. That would do a lot, there are almost always signs that a non-gang mass shooter is mentally unwell.

Gang and crime based mass shootings would fall through the floor if we removed the incentive for them, prohibition of drugs. Addiction should be treated as a health problem.

We need to identify these sources of hateful propaganda, the nests of poisonous ideology and root them out through education. We aren't teaching critical thinking, I think that also has a lot to do with it.

You also have many young men that lack good role models for positive masculinity. This is a big thing I'm not sure how to fix. Toxic masculinity has become so pervasive and has infected almost every straight man that can be considered macho. I'm a very masculine man, and proud of it. My zippo says Daddy. My straw hat also has a pride/equality pin next to a Ruger pin. The number of men that I meet like myself is quite low. Met a very macho trans man once that I found had a similar worldview. Have met similar men in the gay leather communities but they tend to cluster in large cities and form insular communities for their own safety.

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

On that last point I think part of the issue is positive masculinity needs to be tied with self love/empowerment. The focus on toxic masculinity has overall been negative and easily spun as "men are toxic" (even though the people who'd benefit most from positive masculinity would be men themselves). Men are struggling because its hard to find a way forward that society accepts and supports

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah. I have no clue how the path out of it works.

Lots of disenfranchised young men full of anger and drives, piss and vinegar, see negative messaging for liking the stereotypical things that young straight men like on one side. On the other side they're welcomed with open arms and then drip fed poison while reinforcing their identity.

Here on Lemmy if you talk about hunting, meat eating, etc.; people get all riled up. Think I have at least one troll following me and down voting every post.

The left is failing young men and driving them into the open arms of fascism.

I have no clue what can be done about it.

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I agree with you on pretty much all points. All I can really do is see my peers or juniors who may be at risk of falling into the darker corners, and try and bring them into my circle before that happens, but I only have so much time and energy, and that only helps the ones who get seen before they fall

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