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The EU as a whole should ask themselves the worth of having Hungry as a member. Hungary opposes the entirety of the EU in favour of a regime which is not a democracy, fails to adhere to rules based international order norms, and is engaged in criminal warfare, committing atrocity after atrocity. I'm with Poland, Hungary should leave the EU and join the Russian confederation of slave states. Reap what you sew.
Orban is not forever - whereas integrating a country to EU is a long slow process. Also Budapest is geographically a hub city (whose inhabitants didn't - mostly- vote for fidesz anyway). I find it hard to believe that hungarian people are so fundamentally different from their neighbours. So does it make sense to undo citizens' EU membership for this? Rather, we need some kind of suspension of rights of the current government based on specific behaviour, such as persistent obstruction, distortion of the national media, etc. (although such criteria could apply to others too which might get embarrassing). And in general, to remove all vetos (aka "consensus") from EU processes.
Never seen it that way, but it makes sense.
As an American I suggest the EU finds a way to make it work, even if y'all need to take a crowbar to Orban's knees (proverbially) to get him to cooperate. Holding together as political entity is hard, ugly work, and sometimes you need to get ugly to maintain unity.
What you don't want to do is commit was crimes. That should always be a hard line. One out own government has crossed all too often. But it's hard to live up to ideals. But if you sink to the same level as Putin, you're not really winning.